Nothing Comes From Nothing

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1. Introduction

The observation that nothing comes from nothing (or "nothing comes from that which does not exist" as Epicurus states in the letter to Herodotus) is the starting point of Epicurean reasoning about the universe.

The conclusion that "nothing comes from nothing" is closely related to the second point - that nothing goes to nothing - and to the subsequent points that follow as well.

This question is tightly bound up with the question of whether the universe came from nothing, or was created by god. We won't focus on that aspect of the question until next week, and even then we won't represent that we know more than the latest physics researchers. Most of them admit that they really aren't sure of their positions either.

Here, therefore, we will focus our attention on the practical consequences of the Epicurean method of approaching the nature of the universe. In doing so we will focus primarily on the reasoning about the very first observation - nothing comes from nothing - so that we can learn from the Epicurean's pursuit of deductive reasoning. This aspect of the philosophy is important because Epicurus has a reputation for being what we call today an empiricist, admitting only what is accessible through the senses. The truth of the matter is that while the senses are of critical importance, Epicurean philosophy is established primarily through deductive reasoning.

This is a point stressed by Norman DeWitt as follows:

The adoption of the Euclidean textbook as a model involved, of course, the procedure by deductive reasoning. The Twelve Elementary Principles were first stated and then demonstrated like theorems. Each theorem. in turn, once demonstrated, became available as a major premise for the deduction of subsidiary theorems. The truth of this subsidiary theorem is then confirmed by the evidence of the Sensations, which operate as criteria. The mistake of believing Epicurus to be an empiricist must be avoided; it is not his teaching that knowledge has its origin in sensation. The status of the Sensations is that of witnesses in court and is limited to confirming or not confirming the truth of a given proposition.

  • Norman DeWitt, Epicurus and His Philosophy, p. 25.

Lucretius makes the point that the data provided by the senses is not ultimately what we need, but rather what we need is knowledge that has been developed from and tested by the senses, in the following way:

[146] This terror then, this darkness of the mind, must needs be scattered not by the rays of the sun and the gleaming shafts of day, but by the outer view and the inner law of nature; whose first rule shall take its start for us from this, that nothing is ever begotten of nothing by divine will.

Further, as to the practical result of this observation on how the Epicurean thought process works:

The supreme requirement on the part of the student is "to be able to handle smartly the synoptic views" and the supreme objective is "the perfected precision" or perfection of detai1. The method of procedure - to adopt the phraseology of Plato and Aristotle - is not "from the particulars to first principles" but "from the first principles to particulars." The reasoning is deductive. For example, let it be assumed that the problem is to decide whether the number of worlds is finite or infinite. The student has learned among others the following principles: (1) "The multitude of atoms is infinite." (2) "The void is infinite in extent." From the first it follows that the supply of atoms of any given kind could not be exhausted by the creation of one world or of any number of worlds. From the second principle it follows that space would not be lacking for any number of worlds. Therefore the number of worlds is infinite, or, to express it differently, if the number of worlds were finite, the universe would not be infinite.

It is customary to classify Epicurus as an empiricist because of his alleged reliance upon the sensations. To do so is to misunderstand the function of the Canon and to ignore the manifest procedures of his reasoning. One of his epitomes was devoted to the Twelve Elementary Principles of Physics. Since the procedure was to begin with these and to commit them to memory, it follows that the method was deductive throughout. These principles became major premises. Ideas arrived at by deduction from these were called epinoai, which by etymology means "inferential" or "accessory" notions. For instance, the third principle declared: "The universe consists of solid bodies and void." From this was deduced, on the principle of the excluded middle, the inferential idea that the soul is corporeal. Again, the fifth and sixth principles declared the infinity of the universe. From this was deduced, on a principle called isonomy, the existence of gods. Unless perfect beings existed somewhere in addition to imperfect beings, the universe would not be infinite; infinity applies to values no less than to space and matter. The function of the Sensations as part of the Canon is to test the correctness of the inferences drawn from the Twelve Principles. These Principles themselves were not based upon the evidence of the Sensations; the truth of them was demonstrated by a deductive syllogism…..

  • Norman DeWitt, Epicurus and His Philosophy, p.112.

2. Why Does The Question Of Whether Nothing Comes From Nothing Matter?

Chatgpt:

Existence of Matter and Conservation: This principle suggests that all matter or substance must originate from pre-existing matter. It supports the view that the universe has always existed in some form and is not created from nothing. This aligns with the Epicurean idea of an eternal universe where atoms and void are the fundamental realities.

Rejection of Divine Creation: In philosophical and theological discussions, this view challenges the idea of divine creation out of nothing (creatio ex nihilo). For materialists like Epicurus, the universe operates according to natural laws without the intervention of gods, reinforcing a self-sufficient and self-existing cosmos.

Causality and Natural Explanation: The principle underscores the need for natural causes to explain phenomena. If nothing comes from nothing, then every change or event must have a cause or an antecedent condition. This encourages a rational and empirical approach to understanding the world, rejecting supernatural explanations.

Continuity of Existence: It implies that the building blocks of reality (e.g., atoms in Epicurean philosophy) are indestructible and eternal. While forms and configurations of matter may change, the fundamental components persist, ensuring the continuity of existence.

Implications for Science: In modern science, this principle resonates with the law of conservation of energy and matter, which states that energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed but only transformed.

2.1. The assertion that something can come from nothing is used to argue that a supernatural force is at work.

2.2. The assertion that something can come from nothing is used to argue - even absent a supernatural force - that Nature is chaotic, which makes it totally unpredictable and knowledge impossible.

2.3. If something can come from nothing then the universe is either chaotic or subject to supernatural forces, and we can have no confidence in our ability to predict the future or arrange our affairs so as to live happily.

3. What Arguments Are Made By Others That Nothing Can Come From Nothing?

3.1. Religionists Argue That God Created The Universe From Nothing

Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.1
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3.2. Some Argue That Inexplicably "Chaos" Or Nothingness Existed Before the Universe Came Into Being

Diogenes Laertius 10:02
Apollodorus the Epicurean in the first book of his Life of Epicurus says that he took to philosophy because he despised the teachers of literature, since they were not able to explain to him the passage about Chaos in Hesiod.

4. What Arguments Are Made By Epicureans That Nothing Can Come From Nothing?

The first observation to make about the principle of nothing coming from nothing is that it is established by deductive reasoning, since our eyes are not acute enough to discern the existence of atoms directly.

Epicurus starts with what we can observe, that there are bodies around us, and that these bodies do not pop into existence (or out of existence) at random - if we observe them, we observe them come from something else:

The first two principles deal with the indestructibility and uncreatability of matter. If the question be raised how the truth of these propositions is established, the answer is by deduction. It must be observed that Epicurus makes no show of his logical procedures and, like the layman, employs the enthymeme or elliptical syllogism. Nevertheless, if his omissions be discerned and then supplied, the procedure is as follows. The purpose is to demonstrate the uncreatability of matter. Let it then be assumed for the purpose of the argument that the reverse is true: Matter is creatable. This assumption becomes the major premise and the method becomes deductive. The deductions would be that there would be no need of seeds of plants, no limits of size, no geographical distribution, no part for the seasons to play, and no necessity for fish to be born in the sea nor animals on the land. These inferences are all contrary to observed phenomena. Therefore, the assumption is false and the contrary must be true: Matter is uncreatable. … It is not to the poim to inquire here whether this logical method is sound in this panicular application. The point is that the method should be recognized as deductive, not inductive.

  • Norman DeWitt, Epicurus and His Philosophy, p.157

Epicurus then takes that observation (that things do not pop into existence from nothing, and deduces that things must be formed from pre-existing particles:

The problem of what constitutes the universe is dispatched by Epicurus with extreme brevity. The universe consists of solid bodies and void. That the former exist the evidence of sensation alone is sufficient proof; in the case of bodies too small to be perceived by the senses recourse must be had to reasoning by analogy from the visible to the invisible. As for space or void, if it did not exist, then solid bodies would have no place in which to rest nor room in which to move, as they manifestly do move. Epicurus does not think it worth while that beginners should be told of the Eleatic philosophers, who held different views.

If at this point the student chose to consult the Big Epitome as represented by Lucretius, he would find a slight difference of order and more detail. Lucretius employs the method of reasoning from the visible to the invisible by such examples as the wind, odors, heat, cold, moisture, the invisible detrition of finger-rings and statues and the phenomena of growth. This reasoning is meant to prove the existence of atoms. As for void, he points to the porosity of rocks, which is proved by their absorption of water. Again, the difference of weight between equal volumes of wool and lead is to be explained by the presence and absence of void among the respective particles.

Only after presenting these reasons for believing that atoms and void exist does Lucretius turn to the general principle that the universe consists of solid bodies and void. If we assume, he reasons, the existence of a third something, then this will be either tangible or intangible. If it be tangible, however small, it will be an addition to the sum of matter; if, on the other hand, it be intangible and offer no resistance to a moving body, then it will belong to the category of void. The assumption is therefore false and the original statement holds true, that the universe consists of solid bodies and void. Precisely as before, the argument is deliberately thrown into the form of a deductive syllogism, in this instance of the disjunctive type, and the existcnce of anything other than atoms and void is excluded. These examples will suffice to show that the Twelve Principles are treated as theorems to be demonstrated and that the logical procedure is not inductive or empirical.

  • Norman DeWitt, Epicurus and His Philosophy, p.157

These points are made by Long and Sedley in this way:

Epicurus launches his physical theory from the three principles set out in A. Their object is to establish the existence of a permanent and unchanging pool of constituents for the world. The first two principles, that nothing comes into being out of nothing and that nothing perishes into nothing, had a long history in Greek thought, starting from their canonization by Parmenides in the early fifth century, and had been fundamental to Democritus' atomism …. The defence of the first … takes the form of modus tollens ('if p then q, but not-q; therefore not-p'), with the major premise.'If things came into being out of nothing, everything would come into being out of everything.' This may appear a non sequitur, until it is seen that 'out of' is being used in two different senses. The meaning must be 'If things came into being from a prior state of absolute non-existence, they might come into being under any conditions whatsoever.' These conditions are then listed by Lucretius (1.174-214) as place of generation …, time of generation, duration of generation, nutrition, limit of growth, and soil conditions for crops. The main thrust of the argument is that to assert generation ex nihilo is to abandon the principle of sufficient reason with respect to generation, with unacceptable consequences. (Cf. Parmenides, KRS 296,9-10, perhaps the only part of Parmenides' arguments against generation and destruction that Epicurus respects.)

  • Long and Sedley, The Hellenistic Philosophers, p.26

4.1. We Do Not Observe Things Coming Into Being At The Command Of Gods

4.1.1. Lucretius Book One [146]

This terror then, this darkness of the mind, must needs be scattered, not by the rays of the sun and the gleaming shafts of day, but by the outer view and the inner law of nature; whose first rule shall take its start for us from this, that nothing is ever begotten of nothing by divine will.

4.2. If things did come from nothing, anything could come into being without any fixed seeds.

4.2.1. Letter to Herodotus [38]

Having made these points clear, we must now consider things imperceptible to the senses. First of all, that nothing is created out of that which does not exist: for if it were, everything would be created out of everything with no need of seeds.

4.2.2. [Lucretius 1:159] (pt 1)

For if things came to being from nothing, every kind might be born from all things, nought would need a seed. First men might arise from the sea, and from the land the race of scaly creatures, and birds burst forth from the sky; cattle and other herds, and all the tribe of wild beasts, with no fixed law of birth, would haunt tilth and desert. Nor would the same fruits stay constant to the trees, but all would change: all trees might avail to bear all fruits.

4.2.3. [Lucretius 1:159] (pt 2)

Why, were there not bodies to bring each thing to birth, how could things have a fixed unchanging mother? But as it is, since all things are produced from fixed seeds, each thing is born and comes forth into the coasts of light, out of that which has in it the substance and first-bodies of each; and ’tis for this cause that all things cannot be begotten of all, because in fixed things there dwells a power set apart.

4.3. If things did come from nothing, things would come into being at any time.

4.3.1. [Lucretius 1:174]

Or again, why do we see the roses in spring, and the corn in summer’s heat, and the vines bursting out when autumn summons them, if it be not that when, in their own time, the fixed seeds of things have flowed together, then is disclosed each thing that comes to birth, while the season is at hand, and the lively earth in safety brings forth the fragile things into the coasts of light? But if they sprang from nothing, suddenly would they arise at uncertain intervals and in hostile times of year, since indeed there would be no first-beginnings which might be kept apart from creative union at an ill-starred season.

4.4. If things did come from nothing, things would grow at any pace.

4.4.1. [Lucretius 1:184]

Nay more, there would be no need for lapse of time for the increase of things upon the meeting of the seed, if they could grow from nothing. For little children would grow suddenly to youths, and at once trees would come forth, leaping from the earth. But of this it is well seen that nothing comes to pass, since all things grow slowly, as is natural, from a fixed seed, and as they grow preserve their kind: so that you can know that each thing grows great, and is fostered out of its own substance.

4.5. If things did come from nothing, there would be no regularity in the seasons.

4.5.1. [Lucretius 1:192]

There is this too, that without fixed rain-showers in the year the earth could not put forth its gladdening produce, nor again held apart from food could the nature of living things renew its kind or preserve its life; so that rather you may think that many bodies are common to many things, as we see letters are to words, than that without first-beginnings anything can come to being.

4.6. If things did come from nothing, nature would produce men of superhuman size and strength.

4.6.1. [Lucretius 1:199]

Once more, why could not nature produce men so large that on their feet they might wade through the waters of ocean or rend asunder mighty mountains with their hands, or live to overpass many generations of living men, if it be not because fixed substance has been appointed for the begetting of things, from which it is ordained what can arise? Therefore, we must confess that nothing can be brought to being out of nothing, inasmuch as it needs a seed for things, from which each may be produced and brought forth into the gentle breezes of the air.

4.7. If things did come from nothing, there would be no reason for us to plow the ground, as crops would come into being without any work from us.

4.7.1. [Lucretius 1:208]

Lastly, inasmuch as we see that tilled grounds are better than the untilled, and when worked by hands yield better produce, we must know that there are in the earth first-beginnings of things, which we call forth to birth by turning the teeming sods with the ploughshare and drilling the soil of the earth. But if there were none such, you would see all things without toil of ours of their own will come to be far better.

5. Takeaway Conclusions

5.1. The universe as a whole has always existed.

5.1.1. [Herodotus 39]

And again, if that which disappears were destroyed into that which did not exist, all things would have perished, since that into which they were dissolved would not exist. Furthermore, the universe always was such as it is now, and always will be the same. For there is nothing into which it changes: for outside the universe there is nothing which could come into it and bring about the change.

5.2. Things can be and are created without any God willing it to be so.

5.2.1. [Lucretius 1:138]

Fear forsooth so constrains all mortal men, because they behold many things come to pass on earth and in the sky, the cause of whose working they can by no means see, and think that a divine power brings them about. Therefore, when we have seen that nothing can be created out of nothing, then more rightly after that shall we discern that for which we search, both whence each thing can be created, and in what way all things come to be without the aid of gods.

5.3. We Can Be Confident That The Universe As A Whole Has Always Existed And Will Always Exist.

5.4. We Can Be Confident In Approaching The Mysteries Of Nature Knowing That There Are No Supernatural Forces Behind Them.

5.4.1. [Herodotus 83 (pt 1)]

Here, Herodotus, is my treatise on the chief points concerning the nature of the general principles, abridged so that my account would be easy to grasp with accuracy. I think that, even if one were unable to proceed to all the detailed particulars of the system, he would from this obtain an unrivaled strength compared with other men. For indeed he will clear up for himself many of the detailed points by reference to our general system, and these very principles, if he stores them in his mind, will constantly aid him.

5.4.2. [Herodotus 83 (pt 2)]

For such is their character that even those who are at present engaged in working out the details to a considerable degree, or even completely, will be able to carry out the greater part of their investigations into the nature of the whole by conducting their analysis in reference to such a survey as this. And as for all who are not fully among those on the way to being perfected, some of them can from this summary obtain a hasty view of the most important matters without oral instruction so as to secure peace of mind.

5.4.3. [Pythocles 116 (pt 1) ]

… All these things, Pythocles, you must bear in mind; for thus you will escape in most things from superstition and will be enabled to understand what is akin to them. And most of all give yourself up to the study of the beginnings and of infinity and of the things akin to them, and also of the criteria of truth and of the feelings, and of the purpose for which we reason out these things.

5.4.4. [Pythocles 116 (pt 2) ]

For these points when they are thoroughly studied will most easily enable you to understand the causes of the idetails. But those who have not thoroughly taken these things to heart could not rightly study them in themselves, nor have they made their own the reason for observing them.

5.4.5. [Lucian - Alexander the Oracle-Monger]

The poor uneducated 'fat-heads' might well be taken in when they handled the serpent—a privilege conceded to all who choose—and saw in that dim light its head with the mouth that opened and shut. It was an occasion for a Democritus, nay, for an Epicurus or a Metrodorus, perhaps, a man whose intelligence was steeled against such assaults by scepticism and insight, one who, if he could not detect the precise imposture, would at any rate have been perfectly certain that, though this escaped him, the whole thing was a lie and an impossibility.

6. EpicureanFriends.com

6.1. This article is one of a series focused on the core positions of Epicurean philosophy.

Can we come to a reliable understanding of this position, or any other position, without having read everything that remains from the ancient philosophical texts? Yes, to an extent we can. We have to if we want to live the best life possible to us! And that is in part why the Epicurean criticized Socrates for not being honest with his students and from the beginning telling them exactly what he thought about a question.

Cicero in Academica II iii Lucullus:

Nor is there any difference between ourselves and those who think that they have positive knowledge except that they have no doubt that their tenets are true, whereas we hold many doctrines as probable, which we can easily act upon but can scarcely advance as certain ; yet we are more free and untrammeled in that we possess our power of judgement uncurtailed, and are bound by no compulsion to support all the dogmas laid down for us almost as edicts by certain masters. For all other people in the first place are held in close bondage placed upon them before they were able to judge what doctrine was the best, and secondly they form judgments about matters as to which they know nothing at the most incompetent period of life, either under the guidance of some friend or under the influence of a single harangue from the first lecturer that they attended, and cling as to a rock to whatever theory they are carried to by stress of weather. For as to their assertion that the teacher whom they judge to have been a wise man commands their absolute trust, I would agree to this if to make that judgement could actually have lain within the power of unlearned novices (for to decide who is a wise man seems to be a task that specially requires a wise man to undertake it) ; but granting that it lay within their power, it was only possible for them after hearing all the facts and ascertaining the views of all the other schools as well, whereas they gave their verdict after a single hearing of the case, and enrolled themselves under the authority of a single master. But somehow or other most men prefer to go wrong, and to defend tooth and nail the system for which they have come to feel an affection, rather than to lay aside obstinacy and seek for the doctrine that is most consistent.

6.2. For learn more about Epicurean Philosophy and participate in a community supportive of Epicurean philosophy, please visit us at https://epicureanfriends.com

7. Notes

7.1. Physics Videos On The Question Of Whether The Universe Had A Beginning

7.1.1. Roger Penrose - Did The Universe Begin? https://youtu.be/OFqjA5ekmoY

7.1.2. Sean Carroll - Did the Universe Begin? https://youtu.be/FgpvCxDL7q4

7.1.3. Eternal Universe! The New Theory That Could Change the Way We Think about the Universe! https://youtu.be/_TGTcv894j4

7.1.4. PBS - What If The Universe DID NOT Start With The Big Bang? https://youtu.be/HRqBGnSxzyI

7.1.5. Celestium: Eternal Universe: The New Theory that Might Change the Way we Think About the Universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28AstfdTiOA

7.1.6. Closer To Truth - What Would An Infinite Cosmos Mean? https://live-closer-to-truth.pantheonsite.io/video/what-would-an-infinite-cosmos-mean/

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